#wordlesswednesday Harbouring and nesting tendencies - Terra Nova

 

Last #songlyricsunday for 2019: Crazy paving and quilts - sweet natural love - passion and activism drive creative and vicious madness

My final #songlyricsunday post is around two quotes and one song - Melua [performer] and Batt [songwriter]'s The closest thing to crazy.

When first I listened to Closest thing to crazy in 2005 on the television I thought How far from crazy I was. And those times when I had felt excruciatingly sane [intensely painful; embarrassing; tedious; awkward - thanks Apple Dictionary].

Other people have done it too - like Mike Batt the writer and a band called Blake which does choral and chamber work.

A continual thread in my life since the early 1990s has been mental health activism and advocacy in the best traditions of the World Health Organisation and everything short of that.

The lyrics which caught my ears were Feeling twenty-two acting seventeen. One of the big things about mental health and emotional distress can be a disconnection/dissociation between chronological age; developmental expectation and experienced reality. This can be echoed and has resonance in significant relationships and attachments. And I was reaching a lifestage when I was technically beyond the reaches of youth mental health - which is often provided through the auspices of student life and psychiatric/psychological aftercare services.

Often this conflict and dissonance can productively be tackled through creative work like writing; art; music or whatever outlet and input you have.

How can I think I'm standing strong
Yet feel the air beneath my feet?
How can happiness feel so wrong?
How can misery feel so sweet?

How can you let me watch you sleep
Then break my dreams the way you do?
How can I have got in so deep?
Why did I fall in love with you?

This is the closest thing to crazy I have ever been
Feeling twenty two, acting seventeen
This is the nearest thing to crazy I have ever known
I was never crazy on my own
And now I know that there's a link between the two
Being close to craziness and being close to you

How can you make me fall apart
Then break my fall with loving lies?
It's so easy to break a heart
It's so easy to close your eyes

How can you treat me like a child?
Yet like a child I yearn for you
How can anyone feel so wild?

How can anyone feel so blue?

This is the closest thing to crazy I have ever been
Feeling twenty two, acting seventeen
This is the nearest thing to crazy I have ever known
I was never crazy on my own
And now I know that there's a link between the two
Being close to craziness and being close to you
And being close to you
And being close to you

My 2019 self picks up on the folie a deux aspect. And the correlation between being close to craziness and being close to you. It can also be about the intense friendships that we valorise in youth - and/or the lack and the disappointment we perceive as well as the imbalances and the indifferences involved.

And that strong feelings and yearning are often associated with children - at least the relatively uninhibited expression of these. I think Batt is trying to say something.

Especially when he writes How can happiness feel so wrong? which I associate intimately with scrupulosity [a feature of much obsessive-compulsive disorder and also the personality type version which is closely linked - especially those with a religious content and/or background - though not exclusively so - we Humanists feel it too] and with depressive and anxious thinking - both of which can insinuate and make themselves feel right - especially in terms of traumatic spirals of shame and of guilt whether connected with action or feeling.

How can misery feel so sweet? - that ambivalence is very familiar to high achievers. And to sensation seekers and those who demand a heap of themselves. Again - there is a strong ambivalence in the push-me-pull-you feeling - which is associated with attachment. You can hold the misery and the sweetness and they touch on and with one another - and of course the happiness contains the wrong even as wrong runs and walks away with happiness and sweetness.

An earlier Song Lyric Sunday was about dreams and lullabies and sleep.

And it is so good to know that you are never crazy on your own - that crazes HAVE A CONTEXT.

This I recognise through all the fads that any well-constituted young person or student at any level experiences. The crazes and dazes and lazes I tried to represent through my writing - like Bourdieu and his habitus and [re]production.

There are crazes which tell you to murder your mother or your little sister or your governess or your cousins. If not literally; metaphorically or through tools.

And if you are lucky and if you are sensible ...

Standing strong and feeling the air under your feet - air is supposed to be up there and around us all. We do all breathe it. And some good advice is to breathe between spoonfuls and hopefully breathe between sentences - this saves the Wall of Text effect.

What a wonderful sensory and cognitive image for Ms Melua to put to life through her singing and launch her impactful career.

Before I introduce my first quote - which is from a very fine man called Edward Everett Hale from old-school Boston [MA, USA - as contrasted to the Lincolnshire version in the United Kingdom] I would like to make some last and ancillary reflections.

Oh break the fall with loving lies. I know those as consoling fictions most particularly and poignantly from a certain Brian Friel [Irish playwright who died recently] when I first encountered them in January 2001 [about six weeks later than I should have - a failure to get the books and the scripts you see] and his introducer for Faber and Faber.

Wild and blue hmm? It does seem like a lot of relationships that people will enter to in this New Year 2020; especially if they are visiting a new city and/or a new country.

Edward Everett Hale claimed kinship with Keller through her Mum, Kate Keller. Kate Keller was a New England transplant to the Southeast of the USA during and just before the Civil War which bitterly divided that country. He was also a New England priest.

His words are quoted on page 87 of Joseph P. Lash's authoritative biography of Helen Keller and Anne Sullivan Macy - see I knew the Irish dander would come into handy here!

Lash describes Everett Hale as "one of New England's divines and social reformers" - in 1871 - some 9 years before Keller was born in 1880 - he started a group called Lend a Hand which was a very fine community organisation which advocated social work.

Poor, staid Laura Bridgman, who had been brought up in all the conventionalities of the most rigid New England propriety, used to say Helen was crazy. It was the craziness of sweet natural love.

Edward Everett Hale

[Lash 1980: 87] 

I think too of a young man identified as William who said Crazy is just a word in Torey Hayden's ground-breaking first work which was also published in 1980 One child. In French you would call it Enfant [but there is a much more evocative title] and in Polish Dziecko [which makes the ONE child part very clear]. Finally read it in late 2007. I do know that in German too it is called Meine Zeit mit Sheila.

Hayden's new book is called Lost Child and concerns a young lady in Wales who is known as Jessie. She has many of the calling cards of Reactive Attachment and characteristics of disinhibited social engagement.

And, oh, yes, the thing about sweet natural love which must have been lacking so much in Bridgman's upbringing and marked her so hard by the time she was 58. We know that she sought out so very much of it and needed lots of it. Partly due to the way Howe treated her.

And that Annie Sullivan said It is not a teacher the deaf-blind need ... it is another self. And she did try as far as she could be to represent that other self. Fraiberg writes very well in her Insights from the Blind which was very current when Lash was writing. Lash's principal biographical interest and original contribution to the Keller-Sullivan canon in the 1980s was in the socialism of Keller and the appeals she made to this compassionate conservatism which is what I would characterise the tone of Bostonian life at the time of Howe and Anagnos who was Howe's son-in-law.

I seem to remember how Keller grew like a clinging vine which brings home the nature of this love and this attachment - and how the adoration of Annie satisfied this side of her nature [the affectionate; ideological adolescent development].

Where Everett Hale says rigid I would say strict and then I had to go in and type the quote again a second time.

When you contrast the conventionalities as they were in the late 1800s you naturally - if you are an English Literature person - go thirty years into the Victorian era. What book do you expect I would pick up? And more specifically, what piece of feminist literary criticism would spice up this piece?

If you guessed that the title had passion in it - as in Charlotte Bronte: a passionate life by literary critic Lyndal Gordon - you would probably be correct.

So in context Gordon wrote an invigorating chapter called The Public Voice. In my musical world it makes me think of Morrissette and Ballard's All I really want which is the very first single from Jagged Little Pill.

The public voice which takes in late 140s and early 150s is very much about Jane Eyre in 1847 which Bronte had worked on for two years while she was in Manchester. Gordon brings out a cancelled line in the manuscript which had me thinking - what else had Bronte left out to shape the text that she did and that we know a hundred and sixty years later?

Here it is for you:

If he was subjugated so was I - and that by a strange and resistless sway

Also this capstone foundation of a paragraph shows us to be very careful before we accept what is avant garde and vanguard in literary criticism and its fashions and furbelows.

Aristotle does show us - the educated person does not simply accept. Six servants Kipling demonstrates to us - five Ws and an H.

First:

The creative madness that Charlotte Bronte and other writers - Dickinson; Schreiner; Woolf; Plath - experienced in one way or another, is different from the vicious madness of Bertha. She is stupidly violent, like capricious fighter dogs with rending teeth. As Charlotte Bronte conceived her, Bertha was the cause of her misfortune, not her husband. It will not do to infuse Bertha with feminist sentiment if we care at all for what is there on the page as an emanation of its time and place. Women are not simply victims; they have, within them, the agency to discover gains in the most restrictive life. This is what Charlotte sought to show.

[Gordon 156: Charlotte Bronte - a passionate life 1994

which I am not sure if I read in 2002 first at the library - perhaps the September 2002 reading was another critic - Lucasta Miller I so strongly suspect

I know I read Gordon first myself in November 2017 around the second half of that month]

When first I read this excerpt in November 2017 ... the contrast between vicious madness and creative madness engaged me hard and would not leave me.

Someone very close to me reminded me that some eleven and a half years before, I had enacted a form of vicious madness [which is to say May 2006].

I experienced it in relation to a younger literary peer who had seemed to surpass me in accomplishment when I had stagnated for some ten months beforehand.

And over the years we have shared so many interpretations of the madness of Bertha and how Charlotte Bronte conceived her.

When we care about what is on the page - and only what is on the PAGE - and not what may lie in the world beyond the page [for example in Batt's The walls of the world].

Gordon of course is right - fundamentally right - about the agency to discover gains in the most restrictive life.

The dog is often a harbinger of fear and of trauma. They are also very comforting and play roles of help; companionship; care; empathy. Some ten years ago I read a wonderful passage about animals and unconditional love - which is again in contrast with inhumanity to humanity. Or Cards against humanity especially in a behaviourist manifestation.

What I would add is - feminism is not primarily about victimhood. Patriarchy and misogyny depend upon the manufacturing and reinforcement of victimology. Perhaps this makes me a radical feminist as opposed/a natural step from liberal feminism. Certainly the feminism as it was practised and experienced in the 1990s and crystallised and became an efflux in the 2000s.

Some really great essayists people can and should read:

1. Coventry by Rachel Cusk
2. Make it scream make it burn by Leslie Jamieson
3. Trick mirror by Jia Tolentino

In their different ways they show agency and gains discovered in lives which are more or less restricted; whether by self or others or society and the interactions and relations involved.

Their passion is informed and their activism infectious.

Also I question creative madness and I problematise it especially in relation to Woolf and Plath and even Schreiner who I first encountered from a friendship with Vera Brittain and also Winifred Holtby. Literary life during the First World War and even during the Second was really something especially when you follow women poets and novelists and activists like Vida Goldstein and the women in Wayward Women which is an exhibition at the Old Treasury Building.

I had read Brittain back in July-August 1998 when I encountered Testament of Youth. It is a formidable text which saw me through so much during that period.

Another element is obviously colonialisation and the West Indies. Now I was not particularly naive at that point [which is to say May 1995 when first I read Jane Eyre] to West Indians in Britain and indeed the wider Commonwealth - had indeed put my hand at creating some and did over the next few months; like Sally Wallace who is a competitor to my romantic heroine in Mysterious Girl Conspicious Boy. Dorothy Edwards and her story about dinner ladies was a big inspiration to me in 1991 in that regard [The cat flap and the apple pie]. Obviously the racialisation/racialised identity and the Blackness/Brownness.

These women of course have agency too as Sue Sharpe's Just like a girl shows us. And I think too of Grace Forrest's philantrophic and social justice work.

If you were picking up what I was dropping in my Words don't come easy post [the one about Don't] I discovered much more Glenn Mederios especially his duet with Elsa - Love always finds a reason / Friend you give me a reason.

There was Nothing's gonna change my love for you and Lonely don't visit me any more.

And also why thirty matters. Not thirty years, exactly [even though the thirty-year rule is such a big thing in the public service and when we have literary and journalistic embargoes on our Right to Know as in the European Court of Human Rights and other places]. I was meaning more like thirty percent. In the Bourse there is often a thirty percent return for an exceptional stock or a well-performing equity. And when the reference point is something like a hundred, well, 70 to 130 can mean a big difference. Two deviations either way. And sometimes 30 words a minute in the typing world can make a big difference.

Then I remember that thirty is also three multiplied by ten and we have thirty days in our months like April and like June and indeed like September and November.

I am writing Crazy paving and quilts on the 30th day of the month.

I am wishing you, too, a happy New Year [and I realise that if I want to book the old Krakow restaurant/hotel that Jan Morris told us about in Fifty years of Europe for New Years' Eve I should have done it on 15 October 2019 - a date which proved very significant in my professional and personal life - she calls it a very pretentious kind of restaurant] and Sylwester and a great New Year's Eve however you define and choose. I will remind you that we have still 18 years to fix the New Millennial Bug - the one that is in 2038 and every second on the computer is 999,999,999,999 repeating.

Now if such a bug were on smartphones - and on iDevices - apparently my iPad's Photos app is not working so well just now and has not done since a big zoom.

It was offered me that I perhaps delve into the latest iThing and I am accepting and I am in process. Right now the Dreamy Fish is a heavyweight and it has a World Clock which takes me through Kuala Lumpur and Kiev and Tehran and Montreal and Caracas and St Peter Port and Paris.

Remembering the Suffragette Ribbon and the Artists' Society which I wish to visit in mid-January 2020. The Romanesque architecture is brilliant and invigorating to use two words.

Ah - the vulnerabilities in the devices and our selves.

What I was hinting at last month [and probably ten days ago also] was a concept of developmental vulnerability - which is measured in six fields. Roughly language; social; gross motor; fine motor; emotional and a sense of general/holistic health and fitness [the sort that Marilla Cuthbert alludes to through the narrator when she talks about a sense of humour being an indication of the fitness of things]. We call this a comprehensive assessment and we try to do it at certain intervals - so that it is not a big and scary thing - but can be met with equanimity and with fidelity and a Middle Way such as is embodied in a Yusuf Islam song.

Still want to say Chocolate Buddha is a very fine production and I think Geoffrey Falk has a critique of it in his Rock and holy waters - which is an example of #yourfaveisproblematic - especially when Christopher Cross's Arthur's theme is almost entirely encoded through dhimmis - probably not quite so when You say it's for harmony and for tolerance - and my own hypocorism comes up. [Someone may look for another hypo- word in relation to my interpretations of harmony and tolerance - especially during my campaigning days and years!]

We call this thing psychoeducational and psychosocial. I think of it as like a spider's web or like a plot with Louise Bourgeois and Maman the spider - she knits it and then she stays away.

Wonderful song from Wilbur the pig - it is called I can talk - in the 1973 Hanna-Barbera adaptation which defined a generation's experience of Charlotte's Web on screens big and small.

Thirty years ago I saw it as a puppet production.

And there is still Hugo's Notre Dame to read - thinking too of St Patrick and his Cathedral and the Artist's Trail for the Heidelberg School. And the big tinny bells and the roses and the hedges. The Lutheran church is very dignified and active and unpretentious.

I am working through Endacott's trilogy of the Seven Lakes and also the book about Freya. I have read Unreliable Memoirs and seen Jojo Rabbit. Very glad I took the chance to buy this self-published Australian author who uses an awesome designer and illustrator. The King, Gidyon, reminds me of a few people I have known - especially the moment he tries to teach advanced mathematics to seven and eight year olds in the Royal Families and not the Assassin Family which his retainer and special person Elen-ai [who is of very low birth and rose up through the ranks through loyalty and dignity and protection] is part of. And to think he is only seventeen still! It is a year after the Queendom of the Seven Lakes which I read over Christmas and Boxing Day/St Stephen's Day 2019.

Janine McCulloch's book about Provence and Cote d'Azur from 2013 was one of my more planned impulsive purchases. She describes the markets and attractions and cities and villages with panache and with a honesty worthy of more than the lifestyle work she is too often pigeoned in.

There is one other nice book I read through the break - it is a story in pictures by the author of the Lunch Lady series who uses minimal colours to express and make testimony to his grandparents and his mother Leslie and his father Brian Hennessey [yes I know - very Irish - in contrast to the Polish and Swedish in the grandparents' diaspora life]. It is the second graphic novel I have read in 2019 since Roz Chast's Can't we talk about something more pleasant which is about the illness and decline and legacy of her troubled relationship with her ageing parents as they go through the chronic and the terminal and the quotidian. I do like the way Jarrett has gone through things and done things and showed us his artistic efforts and career and how he influences the next generation who in turn influences the next and it is never ever one way.

The direction is like the thing we call crazy paving which would describe lots of cobblestones and also the crazy quilt. When I think of the latter I think of Moorhouse and Hogan and Lily and Jack and Maddy and Spike - I have not quite got up the guts or the garters to buy Unconditional Love. The legacy of the haute behaviourism of the second half of the 1990s is not quite resolved, particularly the bits which clash with the eclectic humanism I adopted and adapted. And then I realise how far I have to begin!

I trust I will meet the challenge with decency; dignity; diplomacy - finding my own language of worth and corresponding with and through all the worthy courses of present communication and future life.

Goodbye, au revoir, do widzenia ...

Rose Cuff #rcmentalhealth #satellite #families #fapmi #spaceforus #my.spot

Rose Cuff

“The next witness to be called is Rose Cuff” [four minutes at the top of the hour].

“I sincerely declare” …

She is trained in brief therapy and occupational therapy.

1995 is where she began her work with children and families.

The parent has a mental illness - in particular she was part fo the development of

Strategy of FPHNE - 2007.

She is the Statewide Co-ordinator.

Blueberry Centre - integrated practice research centre in La Trobe University.

Her role is: “oversee implementation of the programme across the adult mental health services and partners in Victoria”. [6 minutes at the top of the hour]

Separately she is a voluntary holder of Satellite Foundation.

NGO organisation - voice and creative space for children and young people who have a mentally ill parents or parents.

It exists in adult mental health too - Rose explains:

it is an endeavour supported by the State Government to identify the parents as they go through the service - employment and mental health services of senior commissions - experience and shape the way services are shaped - how parents children and family members interact.

A powerful preventative opportunity - parents and children identified more routinely so there is less risk.

1: identification

2: validation

3: comprehensive assistance through understanding. [eight minutes at the top of the hour]

Strength and Vulnerability Framework versus a risk/deficit one.

A large number of people are seeking service, Cuff says. When children are involved it becomes very risk-oriented/orientated.

Children are necessarily at a risk [it is thought so].

Satellite tries to understand a more balanced view and passes it on to the services involved.

Upskilling the workforce through conversational work.

Strengthen support and resources - responding to risk when necessary. Services do need to know!

The co-ordinators support key support programmes for young people [like key worker types?]

Specific programmes young people can attend and participate in.

Targeted services for primary school children; teenagers and parents. Bringing children and parents together - bringing it into that family.

Hard to talk about within families and communities - children in particular struggle to understand.

Connected to other young people and children and then reach out to community supports which they connect with. [eleven minutes at the top of the hour].

IMPACT: is not a linear thing.

It is a bi-directional impact - nature; episodic?; developmental ages and stages of children

Should be viewed in a systemic whole-family way.

The impact - extremely traumatic for families to experience mental illness in a family member.

High rates of separation; divorce; family breakdown - especially if it is later-onset and happens when they are a parent.

Children can struggle to understand what is happening to their family - statistically they are at risk of significant mental health issues - twice as likely - without intervention / support.

Reducing the risk with early intervention.

Risk of cumulative harm - not always. [I think of a set of rocks and water].

Day-to-day parenting without adequately supported - no access to the things that young people need to help and develop.

Effective early intervention - explain this further - there aren’t easy-to-access programmes to assist.

For C and YP if you have a family with MI - C struggle with Issues - they don’t qualify for those three programmes - there is nothing.

Ongoing services - schools are very well provided - falling through the gaps - primary-school age children. 

The perinatal period too [peri- and post-natal depression].

Flying under the radar - becoming invisible.

Children become carers for many reasons.

1. A term which is used extensively in the service system - I wonder if many people relate to it. They don’t see themselves - they see themselves DOING THE WORK. IN the absence of any other adult - single parent. Taking on the roles of cooking and shopping; paying bills; giving medication
2. Because they have just always done it - normal? second nature? Rose has talked to many children who do extensive amounts of work and they miss school - nothing is wrong with this - ordinary children doing extraordinary things
3. An absence of other social support and networks - invisiblilty is a big experience here. A “code of silence” - parents are very chary and fearful of reaching out for support for fear of judgement - THE BIGGEST BARRIER to help-seeking

Yes, help seeking is a big barrier for the children. It looks like there is food in the cupboard - there may not be.

This is the way children protect their parents. Reluctant to speak up with schools and with friends.

[schools and friends find out anyway].

And Rose talks about cultural backgrounds.

1. Cultural families and norms - how caring is perceived within - caring for/caring about. Step up and it is just done in some families.
2. Cultural background is enormously significant. When we talk about mental illness and cultural roles - the language is often very different - seek a listening and timerich space which is not currently in the Victorian system.

How it is understood and experienced by different

Mental illness is not often a term used by families. [twenty minutes at the top of the hour]

ATSI families would not talk about this - they don’t use the word - they speak their own language and terminologies - emotional wellbeing might be one of them.

Does it have the same family or YP understanding?

Talk about things that resonates with the family, not just with you lot [Satellite/Blueberry].

How is the system of support operating? Do they want or need support - what might that look like in the community?

Main challenges: struggling to go to school and access to school-based services.

Access to services for young children - many families are struggling with multiple challenges - running a car - public transport - parents interaction

Children benefit form social interaction - those are immensely challenging for parents. Young people and children don’t get to those things - those important social places tat provide protective factors.

Paid-for transport or community support. They can’t even volunteer transport - not legal for children to travel by themselves.

[What about Uber; Lyft and so on - it’s legal in SanFran and positively encouraged].

They miss out on not just education and work - friendships and social connections.

More at risk of being bullied for not getting to school or doing other things that children think children do.

Ostracised by their peers - looking different the parents.

Many stories of children finding school very lonely.

Children in caring roles experience a wide range of emotions like concern and anxiety.

Resentment and anger are big ones too - losing out on being different - peers and people.

Where do they take these things?

If a parent - if you can accept they can take on responsibility through the home - they feel valued in the role.

If a parent is receiving treatment in a intake facility - creates conflict within the family.

No way of that being communicated - service which can facilitated conversations around parental and child family roles. [twenty-five minutes into the hour]

Hopes and dreams for the future - [foreshortened future? moratorium?] Isolation doesn’t hope or dream it seems. You become used to managing things on your own.

Their trajectory is one of their parent perhaps not recovering - how do we discuss recovery and recovery-oriented approaches?

The sense of hopelessness - they wouldn’t go on to achieve in their own right or make friends.

They might not be able to leave their families - and feel or be like their parents.

You inherit this thing - it is a very common fear. Uncertainty about the future.

FAPMI - and Satellite.

Really working to improve the way that mental health services and respond and work with parents in the adult system.

Equip services + clinicians with conversation and the whole family. The parent comes into the service and they feel welcomed and less judged and discriminated against.

Mechanism are set up early on. Consultation and training and role-modelling with the conversations of the clinician and parent and child sometimes.

Satellite: fill a gap that harnesses the potential and strength and resources of young people and individuate and realise their hopes and dreams and do the things children and young people need to do.

Art and creativity taps into and gives them a voice. Children’s voices get lost in this narrative - they are hard to be heard and invisible.

In peer support - people get heard and seen and listened to.

The programmes aren’t routinely available across the whole state - some under FAPMI - not implemented state-wide as yet.

CHANCE programme was developed in the 1990s? 2000s? 8-12 year olds who have parents with mental illness - key component - peer support facilitated space for children to come together with a psychoeducation component.

They learn about self-care and self-compassion and share stories and have fun.

The programme has a parent component now because of a review. The children come in as the same time as their families [grandparnets; families; uncles; aunts; parents].

Much more open communication where they come home - most of the conversations are at home and within the family.

SPACE for US is for 13-18 year olds. A similar core aim have teenagers meet other teenagers.

Peer leader - young person with Lived Experience - co-lead the programme - they talk about their story.

Holiday programmes and a camp - after school-programmes of 8 weeks.

Schiz - Supporting Kids in Primary Schools - mental health promotion - not currently running because of funding - goes into primary schools 5 and 6 - teachers and parents and a person with Lived Experience and a young carer.

Spectrum of mental health - things children might notice - equip teachers - be more attuned to a student to whom this is happening. Children were able to approach teacheers.

MY.SPOT is a new online intervention - proof of concept stage - online 6-week programme for young adults 18-25 years. It runs online and has different topics each week with a chat facility.

Purpose of my spot - seeing they’re not alone - they have a core of “we’re not alone”/“you’re not responsible for your parents’ mental illness”/“there’s information you can get about what’s happening to you and your family”.

Programmes that might not be happening at present - routine identification [thirty-four minutes at the bottom of the hour]

Rose Cuff’s key message - Endeavour program - system change takes time.

Be on the look out to understand vulnerable parents - important to take time to engage with vulnerable parents and children - break that cycle of intergenerational trauma and vulnerability.

Planned respite used to be readily available - this idea is of key planning.

Families do bushfire plans. Family caring not so much! Everyone contributes to that care plan - children are part of it - they know very well what to do and attuned to the warning signs.

Going to stay with a family member; case manager; family meeting.

Less reactive; less crisis-driven. Stretched and reactive is the system at the moment.

Act early; plan better.

A lot of stigma around respite - it should be a strength - a parent made a decision to put things into place when they need to be put into place.

The next area she speaks of: potential area of change - clear access to services

When we talk about services - spaces and places in between which are not available for children young people and families.

“It takes a village”. Where do young people and children go? Where do they go to get information? How do they get practical support? Like shopping and cleaning.

Not just online support - younger children have a voice here and their families too.

Improving the online supports and Kids’ Helpline is not targeted enough for young carers - Rose encourages people to ring KH - could be enhanced.

Comes up in evidence - universal messages of recovery and possibility for children.

The fragmentation of the system in earlier statements - if we have community public health messages where people go routinely and they are up for these conversations with children and families about wellbeing.

Through to where there is serious and recurring - so many elephants in the room. Getting messages to young people - it’s OK to talk about it

Wherever you go you can talk about it.

Thank you RC.

Questions from the Commissioners

This one is about “powerful recollections” about challenges and resilience and determination and love - how do you navigate the triage system?

Adults coach others in how to use the right language. What is the advocacy involved that young people can access? Their families?

Rose Cuff: it should be part of the work at every level. C and YP in the Families should have consent and supported these skills of how to navigate systems. Taught how to get the right language for the right help.

Independent Mental Health Advocacy services - coaching not to be afraid and to take on those skills.

This is part of the Mental Health Act!

It can be quite confronting - maybe they feel they’re too young - maybe it’s the only way a young person can have agency.

The Family Health programme can advocate and support.

That would be good to have an advanced statement. [forty-three minutes at the bottom of the hour]

[There is a lot of rain and I cannot hear so well - I turned up the two bars].

May asked these questions and Rose can be excused.

There is morning break.

I think Jesse Morgan will be next and I will get his file up. During the break I will read the Cuff file.

I think witnesses also speak for 35 minutes and then there are questions that Commissioners may ask.